Portneuf Valley Disc Golf Club

[fiya79]

So I have been bothered ever since the TVC in boise. An open player lands next to a fence, which is not OB, not casual, and undeclared by the TD. he takes his stance and decides if the throws his approach backhand he could hit his hand on barbed wire and hurt himself. the fence is naybe 40" tall and has a strand of barb at the top.

He declares his lie is dangerous and wants to take relief, WITH NO PENALTY backwards a few steps.

I can't find this in the rulebook anywhere. The TD Steve later backed him up. I disagree for two reasons.

1- an overhand or flick would have been perfetly safe, if less accurate for him.

2- the only relief rule I see is unplayable lie, which carries a penalty.

Anybody.........I didn't read the competition manual yet, but I read all applicable parts of the rule book, I think.
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[fiya79]

and secondly.... My disc comes to rest in a brach completely overhanging the water, which is clearly OB. No 2m rule, but it is definitiely over the water. I can reach the disc easily (not that it matters).

How do I proceed?
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[staatsy]

(1) I agree - since the fence was not declared by the TD as a casual obstacle prior to the round, what the player did was declare his lie unplayable, which should have resulted in a penalty stroke.

(2) 803.08 Disc Above The Playing Surface
A. If a disc comes to rest above the
playing surface in a tree or other obstacle
on the course, its lie shall be marked on
the playing surface directly below it. If
the point directly below the disc above
the playing surface is an out-of-bounds
area, the disc shall be declared out-ofbounds
and marked and penalized in
accordance with 803.09. If the playing
surface directly below the disc is inside a
tree or other solid obstacle, the lie shall
be marked on the line of play immediately
behind the tree or other solid obstacle.

So, one penalty throw and you can either throw from your last lie or perpendicular 1 meter from where your disc went OB.


That's how I read the rules, at least.

Eric

[mooch]

with your second post It has to do with what I did and I was wrong I mistakly thought it would be inbounds I make mistakes to thats why we play with others during rounds it is very embarassing cause of the fact that I should know the rules better than that i just got caught up in the moment.

from what I undedstand with your first post in would be a unplayable/unsafe lie and therefor they would take a penatly stroke with that but i will have to look it up to make sure

[mook]

If he wants to declare it as an unsafe or unplayable lie he can take relief within the line of play but it will cost him a stroke. He is the one who threw it there, why should he get relief without a penalty?!? So, Eric, you are right, but I think you copy and pasted the wrong rule. Its this one.


03.06 Unplayable Lie

A. A player may declare his or her lie to be an unplayable lie. The player is the sole judge as to whether the lie is unplayable. The unplayable lie may be relocated to a new lie that is: (1) No closer to the hole, on the line of play and within five meters of the unplayable lie; or (2) The previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved, from an approximate lie as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official. The original throw plus one penalty throw are counted in the player's score.


And Mooch.....DUDE!....cheeting is not a good way to catch up to my rating.

[staatsy]

Thanks, mook. I was quoting the disc above playing surface rule for Lance's second post. I should've copy/pasted the rule you did for my answer to his first post.

I really need to read and re-read the rules prior to upcoming tourneys.

Eric

[fiya79]

Just throwing that second one out there for mooch's viewing pleasure. It didn't end up mattering.


Agree with all responses so far. So where is Steve Lloyd coming from? anyone?
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[mook]

You know those I.F. guys...

[Wazowski08]

See, the hilarious part of this whole story about the unplayable lie is the screaming match that ensued. There were four or five guys yelling at each other about this stupid rule. In the end, the guy with the "unplayable lie" ended up throwing without relief and landed a pretty good shot to take the easy three, anyway. So everyone spent five minutes yelling about a rule that no one ended up using.
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[fiya79]

SO I have a disc sitting ON the 10m line, exactly half way in half way out. Can I jump putt?

Of course it was a drive that landed on the line from 600'- if that matters.
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[staatsy]

[fiya79]

So I mark my lie in the circle because I want to be 8" closer. then I realize I am an awesome jump putter and rarely hurt my back doing so. Can I change my mind?
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[fiya79]

I throw hole 6 at Lava RHBH route (over towards the neighbor's pond) and on the fade back in bounds it hits the top rail of the fence and gets rejected. where do I mark my lie?
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[fiya79]

I'm playing ross. Hole 9- new position is the placement. I throw an effortless forehand that fades around the corner perfectly. We hear the chains ring loudly, clearly a direct hit. After everyone else throws (I was leading the card) and shanks their drives in multiple directions. we finally approach the basket. It takes someone several throws just to get out of the bushes so some time has passed. Several kids are playing back in the corner. one is holding my disc and drops it and runs. Kerry gives chase but the 10 year old quickly exhausts him....there is no one to question about the disc.

what is the call?
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